tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882241647734848746.post6540111885690805579..comments2023-06-20T07:47:24.386-05:00Comments on The Spiced Tea Party: Come and Come and Come AgainUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882241647734848746.post-61823938740112264452007-07-03T16:10:00.000-05:002007-07-03T16:10:00.000-05:00Thanks, Jude -- for adding us and for reading us.A...Thanks, Jude -- for adding us and for reading us.<BR/><BR/>And everybody, do check out <A HREF="http://bloggingnational.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">Blogging National</A>. Looks like a great, fun addition to the conference.Pam Rosenthalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04357928783704661668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882241647734848746.post-89163512510526735172007-07-03T15:11:00.000-05:002007-07-03T15:11:00.000-05:00Have fun at National! I look forward to your posts...Have fun at National! I look forward to your posts. :) I have added your blog to the blogroll for <A HREF="http://bloggingnational.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Blogging National</A>.Judehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17312338448560581132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882241647734848746.post-35595573871560377852007-06-25T07:55:00.000-05:002007-06-25T07:55:00.000-05:00I want to make a t-shirt that says Romance is a mu...I want to make a t-shirt that says Romance is a multiple orgasm. I'll be at the Beau Monde workshops on the Wed before Nationals and will make your and Jane's workshop. Sounds great!Sharon Pagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15204125452024951988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882241647734848746.post-27729037938814991472007-06-24T19:23:00.000-05:002007-06-24T19:23:00.000-05:00try again -- how about moderatrix?try again -- how about moderatrix?Pam Rosenthalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04357928783704661668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882241647734848746.post-90162023712875123532007-06-24T18:24:00.000-05:002007-06-24T18:24:00.000-05:00Oh gosh, that is right. I knew I was nervous about...Oh gosh, that <I>is</I> right. I knew I was nervous about it, but I didn't realize it was making me forgetful. Yes, Kate will be our dominamoderator. It's a dirty job but somebody's gotta do it.Pam Rosenthalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04357928783704661668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882241647734848746.post-24968126465690725762007-06-24T17:40:00.000-05:002007-06-24T17:40:00.000-05:00I'll be there! I'm the very important moderator wh...I'll be there! I'm the very important moderator who has to patrol the rows of romance writers with the birch cane Jane is supplying and make sure everyone pays attention. Isn't that right?Kate Pearcehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079485861541059016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882241647734848746.post-59549877319756479572007-06-23T17:59:00.000-05:002007-06-23T17:59:00.000-05:00An odd fact about Richardson, and make of what you...An odd fact about Richardson, and make of what you will: he suffered from claustrophobia, and I've been told there's a lot of pressing into corners and invasion of personal space in the novel.<BR/><BR/>And of course Mr. B is the victim. She gets what she wants: marriage. Not what he wants, but it's the only way he can get her!JRMullanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09385318200404516357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882241647734848746.post-29082666412448486592007-06-23T14:59:00.000-05:002007-06-23T14:59:00.000-05:00I'm not promising multiple orgasms, but I think it...<I> I'm not promising multiple orgasms, but I think it'll be pretty good.</I><BR/><BR/>You had me at orgasm!lacey kayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04748864831060027009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882241647734848746.post-71171191381262810022007-06-23T13:10:00.000-05:002007-06-23T13:10:00.000-05:00Yeah, I haven't read Pamela -- so it's interesting...Yeah, I haven't read Pamela -- so it's interesting he wrote about both women in both way!Celia May Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124733975264957145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882241647734848746.post-60044551148618062032007-06-23T11:39:00.000-05:002007-06-23T11:39:00.000-05:00Re Richardson, Celia -- my husband's recently been...Re Richardson, Celia -- my husband's recently been reading around in the early 18th century novel, and something one critic pointed out was that in <I>Pamela</I>, the wouldbe seducer Mr. B. becomes the sexual victim, our heroine reducing him to a whining, cringing, horny wreck.<BR/><BR/>Re <I>Clarissa</I>, a while back I was fascinated to learn that the Marquis de Sade was a huge fan -- giving the longsuffering virtuous heroine his own spin in <I>Justine</I>. Angela Carter wrote brilliantly about this in <I>The Sadean Woman</I> and I cribbed her argument in <I>Safe Word</I>.Pam Rosenthalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04357928783704661668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882241647734848746.post-72697309446866870302007-06-23T11:13:00.000-05:002007-06-23T11:13:00.000-05:00I'll have to check out the comic.What *I* find int...I'll have to check out the comic.<BR/><BR/>What *I* find interesting, that in part of my research for my talk at the Beau Monde conference (which just precedes National and is on Wednesday, 2:30pm, I think) is that Richardson's "first" novel is an illustration of the changing view of sexuality at the time. Woman changes from being seducer at the beginning of the 18th Century, and in control of her sexuality -- inasmuch as patriarchy will allow), to become sexual victim by the Victorian era -- but Richardson was the one who wrote about it. "Clarissa" is the classic example of woman as sexual victim.<BR/><BR/>So I guess if you look at the Arthurian Romances (which bear no resemblance at all to what possibly might have happened in the dark ages but are confections of the medieval era), you see woman as predator, a bunch of fallen Eves. Even Gwen doesn't get to play the virginal role for long.Celia May Harthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00124733975264957145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882241647734848746.post-19471454149490912412007-06-23T11:11:00.000-05:002007-06-23T11:11:00.000-05:00when are you going to teach a course based on your...<I>when are you going to teach a course based on your arguments, and how can I sign up?</I><BR/><BR/>That's a lovely question, Lenora. The short answer is at RWA National. The long answer, about this whole theory thing, is that I'm trying to compile notes for it, on this blog, at <A HREF="http://www.historyhoydens.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">History Hoydens</A>, and on my own <A HREF="http.www.pamrosenthal.com/blog/php" REL="nofollow"> occasional, almost-blog</A>, especially the "Nerd City" posts. But that unlike David Lodge (whom I also want to be -- too late for when I grow up; I'm hoping for just a moment of it before I die), I'm really really slow, both with the writing and theorizing.<BR/><BR/>Jane L, I also adored <I>Nice Work</I>; it used to be my favorite in more engagee times, but <I>Small World</I>, obviously, has more to say to me now. I haven't read Lodge on Austen (would love to check it out), but once upon a time when I wrote a <A HREF="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/02/18/RV142343.DTL" REL="nofollow">SF Chronicle review of a Muriel Spark book</A>, a Lodge essay (he's also a Catholic) saved my butt on Spark's loopy metaphysical take on things.<BR/><BR/>As for buying Cheryl's argument or not, well, I posted it as a starting point. We can thrash it out more during langueurs at RWA National.Pam Rosenthalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04357928783704661668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882241647734848746.post-9881025670214890762007-06-23T10:31:00.000-05:002007-06-23T10:31:00.000-05:00I'm going to have to re-read "Small World," tho my...I'm going to have to re-read "Small World," tho my favorite David Lodge (yet another author I want to be when I grow up) is "Nice Work," his take on the industrial novel.<BR/><BR/>I've a nasty feeling tho that I may have absorbed Cheryl's comparison with Richardson and now pass it off as my own; the few series romances I've read all seemed to me to be extolling the "good marriage," something I thought had gone out of fashion a century or two ago. Paradoxically, though, people do tend to choose mates similar to themselves in background and upbringing, and generally men do make more money than women. So maybe they're right and the world is crawling with hunky men who pulled out of the dotcom biz at the right time and I'm a few decades too late to notice them.<BR/><BR/>I also really like the orgasm comparison although I'd define the literary structure of the romance as a slow build toward orgasm, with a lot of teasing and fooling around--the journey not the actual arrival.<BR/><BR/>I also recommend "Nice Work" by David Lodge, which is his take on the industrial novel. Has anyone read his academic stuff on Austen?JRMullanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09385318200404516357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882241647734848746.post-80704670007388148882007-06-23T00:44:00.000-05:002007-06-23T00:44:00.000-05:00Hell, I've just only begun to argue...I have a que...<I>Hell, I've just only begun to argue...</I><BR/><BR/>I have a question--when are you going to teach a course based on your arguments, and how can I sign up?<BR/><BR/>Every time I read one of your posts, I vow to write better. Bigger. Yes.Lenora Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07841633967011035274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882241647734848746.post-73703485374067035272007-06-22T19:14:00.000-05:002007-06-22T19:14:00.000-05:00isn't falling in love a war between our inner Mari...<I>isn't falling in love a war between our inner Marianne's and Elinor's?</I><BR/><BR/>Yup. I don't think I have a lot to add to that. I do think that novels are really good at that conflict and that Jane Austen had a lot to do with jumpstarting it.Pam Rosenthalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04357928783704661668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7882241647734848746.post-12876035986553878862007-06-22T17:45:00.000-05:002007-06-22T17:45:00.000-05:00Wouldn't miss it! I'll be there with my fan and gl...Wouldn't miss it! I'll be there with my fan and glass of cold water, just in case...<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the heads up on Lodge's Small World. I could use a really fun book right now.<BR/><BR/>I'd like to hear more on your argument about Sense & Sensibility and both sides. It's one of, if not *the*, favorite Austen for me. It gets put down for its "sit-com" aspects, but that's exactly what I love about it. And isn't falling in love a war between our inner Marianne's and Elinor's?Jane Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03199994711829637247noreply@blogger.com